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		<title>Comment on Kung Fu Sunny by MaryBeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaryBeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhhh, Grasshopper, Confucius say angry horse use kung fu when when sleepy owner know not what to do.

Seriously, I&#039;m relieved no one was hurt seriously and glad, sort of, that our 100k is still on!
To address the questions:
The mare faces were certainly your first signs.  And yes, in horseworld, mare memories are long.  In fact, this could have been brewing from previous interactions.  As with most accidents, complacency is often a culprit and you may have missed other indicators such as sideways glares, a tail swish, leg stomps, lifting a hind leg, snorting, curling their noses, etc.  

To nip it in the bud, having no opportunity to avoid it in the first place, Donna could have encouraged and rode the back up, offering some direction.  Working together you&#039;d both be of the mind to get outta there and Sunny would likely have seen you were on the same page and not bucked.   Back back back, rollback and exit stage left.  Good arena exercises that we often do in class and I do with every green horse.

Cory, aboard the asserting horse, once the action started is left with one effective correction (and I know you get tired of hearing it...) SHUT IT DOWN!
And, yes, Jades huge and on a mission, she&#039;d need an all you can give it yank to end all yanks, bringing that nose to your knee and booting the hind end one way or the other.  This prevents the continued attack and any opportunity to buck you in the process.

I know its frustrating for all of us to be able to calmly monday morning quarterback these things, when we can go blank during the heat of the moment.   Practice practice practice your safety and defensive manuevers often enough that they become second nature to YOU.  Its usually a factor of the human reaction time being so delayed in comparision to a horses.  The more you can develop your skill set to become second nature, just like in martial arts,  the better able you are to handle surprise scenarios.  Its tedious and God knows repetitious.  Thats the whole point.  Ive often instructed my students to practice rein handling on a spare bridle while you watch tv or relax.  

Again, i&#039;m relieved no one was injured too badly.  Going forward, look for any signs there is a fued brewing between them and perhaps switch it up, changing the lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhhh, Grasshopper, Confucius say angry horse use kung fu when when sleepy owner know not what to do.</p>
<p>Seriously, I&#8217;m relieved no one was hurt seriously and glad, sort of, that our 100k is still on!<br />
To address the questions:<br />
The mare faces were certainly your first signs.  And yes, in horseworld, mare memories are long.  In fact, this could have been brewing from previous interactions.  As with most accidents, complacency is often a culprit and you may have missed other indicators such as sideways glares, a tail swish, leg stomps, lifting a hind leg, snorting, curling their noses, etc.  </p>
<p>To nip it in the bud, having no opportunity to avoid it in the first place, Donna could have encouraged and rode the back up, offering some direction.  Working together you&#8217;d both be of the mind to get outta there and Sunny would likely have seen you were on the same page and not bucked.   Back back back, rollback and exit stage left.  Good arena exercises that we often do in class and I do with every green horse.</p>
<p>Cory, aboard the asserting horse, once the action started is left with one effective correction (and I know you get tired of hearing it&#8230;) SHUT IT DOWN!<br />
And, yes, Jades huge and on a mission, she&#8217;d need an all you can give it yank to end all yanks, bringing that nose to your knee and booting the hind end one way or the other.  This prevents the continued attack and any opportunity to buck you in the process.</p>
<p>I know its frustrating for all of us to be able to calmly monday morning quarterback these things, when we can go blank during the heat of the moment.   Practice practice practice your safety and defensive manuevers often enough that they become second nature to YOU.  Its usually a factor of the human reaction time being so delayed in comparision to a horses.  The more you can develop your skill set to become second nature, just like in martial arts,  the better able you are to handle surprise scenarios.  Its tedious and God knows repetitious.  Thats the whole point.  Ive often instructed my students to practice rein handling on a spare bridle while you watch tv or relax.  </p>
<p>Again, i&#8217;m relieved no one was injured too badly.  Going forward, look for any signs there is a fued brewing between them and perhaps switch it up, changing the lead.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Staying in the Present by cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 07:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW Marybeth, I do remember the tapes, and it has made such a difference in riding these ranch horses. My tape changes from horse to horse, with Ruby the jumpy, reactive,drama queen it is &#039;I am the confident, calm, leader&#039;. With Socrates it is &quot; Listen, trust this wise mustang&quot;. And I have 9 more mantras for the other ranch horses and all their different quirks and personalities.  It took me a long time to shake all those &#039;What if&#039; mantras that flooded my mind. And now that I have, what a difference.  Remember when I would panic at the thought of riding anyone but Ruby?  Now with my tapes I feel confident when riding all the horses on the ranch.  Thank you so much for all your wonderful teaching, it is amazing how after all these years it still clicks in when I really need it. I am even able to teach David all the things I learned from you and he is amazed at how it all works together, he is becoming quite the cowboy, YEEHAW! Happy Thanksgiving to you and Esther and the girls!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW Marybeth, I do remember the tapes, and it has made such a difference in riding these ranch horses. My tape changes from horse to horse, with Ruby the jumpy, reactive,drama queen it is &#8216;I am the confident, calm, leader&#8217;. With Socrates it is &#8221; Listen, trust this wise mustang&#8221;. And I have 9 more mantras for the other ranch horses and all their different quirks and personalities.  It took me a long time to shake all those &#8216;What if&#8217; mantras that flooded my mind. And now that I have, what a difference.  Remember when I would panic at the thought of riding anyone but Ruby?  Now with my tapes I feel confident when riding all the horses on the ranch.  Thank you so much for all your wonderful teaching, it is amazing how after all these years it still clicks in when I really need it. I am even able to teach David all the things I learned from you and he is amazed at how it all works together, he is becoming quite the cowboy, YEEHAW! Happy Thanksgiving to you and Esther and the girls!</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Has Your Horse Taught YOU? by donna</title>
		<link>http://www.horsespeak.com/blog/?p=923&#038;cpage=1#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 18:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great post!

This is a fabulous summary of what it means (to me, at least) to have a relationship with a horse.  Sunny is the first one I&#039;ve had this experience with, and I&#039;m so proud when she shows that she trusts me, and that she can rise above mistakes I&#039;ve made with her.
  
I think we got hooked up with Marybeth early enough in our journey so that we&#039;ve always been pretty process-oriented, rather than goal oriented. A piece of fall-out from the process-oriented approach is that, at this point, it doesn&#039;t occur to me to get mad or frustrated with her - I truly believe she&#039;s trying her best and I&#039;m usually mostly curious about what&#039;s going on that is preventing her from obliging me, as she usually does.  (Why yes, it *is* usually something I&#039;m doing!)

Thanks, Marybeth - this post is a wonderful example of your ability to synthesize your tons of experiences into useful guidelines, reminders, and inspirations for those of us lost in the forest of detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great post!</p>
<p>This is a fabulous summary of what it means (to me, at least) to have a relationship with a horse.  Sunny is the first one I&#8217;ve had this experience with, and I&#8217;m so proud when she shows that she trusts me, and that she can rise above mistakes I&#8217;ve made with her.</p>
<p>I think we got hooked up with Marybeth early enough in our journey so that we&#8217;ve always been pretty process-oriented, rather than goal oriented. A piece of fall-out from the process-oriented approach is that, at this point, it doesn&#8217;t occur to me to get mad or frustrated with her &#8211; I truly believe she&#8217;s trying her best and I&#8217;m usually mostly curious about what&#8217;s going on that is preventing her from obliging me, as she usually does.  (Why yes, it *is* usually something I&#8217;m doing!)</p>
<p>Thanks, Marybeth &#8211; this post is a wonderful example of your ability to synthesize your tons of experiences into useful guidelines, reminders, and inspirations for those of us lost in the forest of detail.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sunny Gets Intense by cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 02:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously Donna you are amazing, doing such really cool things with little Sunny.  I just wanted to add my support for Cal Star.  Being out here at the ranch we are members of Cal Star.  Since it is 15 miles of dirt road and would take an hour and a half to get to a hospital it can be a real lifesaver. Every Labor day we have a big benefit party for the Lake Pillsbury Volunteer Fire Dept. right here at the ranch. Cal Star always lands on the lawn right infront of our little cabin here.  Being that we help promote Cal Star we are all dialed in on there coordinates which is reassuring if something did happen. Go Cal Star, so simple and realiable at such an amazing price. P.S.  Just got back from Oregon with 3 big ol&#039; Quarter Horse geldings, they are wonderful ranch horses and really good riding.   Still in heaven playing all day with my 11 horses, Abby the ranch dog and 3 kittys.  Come and ride and play, you&#039;d love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously Donna you are amazing, doing such really cool things with little Sunny.  I just wanted to add my support for Cal Star.  Being out here at the ranch we are members of Cal Star.  Since it is 15 miles of dirt road and would take an hour and a half to get to a hospital it can be a real lifesaver. Every Labor day we have a big benefit party for the Lake Pillsbury Volunteer Fire Dept. right here at the ranch. Cal Star always lands on the lawn right infront of our little cabin here.  Being that we help promote Cal Star we are all dialed in on there coordinates which is reassuring if something did happen. Go Cal Star, so simple and realiable at such an amazing price. P.S.  Just got back from Oregon with 3 big ol&#8217; Quarter Horse geldings, they are wonderful ranch horses and really good riding.   Still in heaven playing all day with my 11 horses, Abby the ranch dog and 3 kittys.  Come and ride and play, you&#8217;d love it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sunny Revisits Jackson Forest by kim</title>
		<link>http://www.horsespeak.com/blog/?p=854&#038;cpage=1#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 22:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations Donna and Sunny. Very cool and inspirational for us all. It&#039;s wonderful that you had a chance to meet Emma and have a life time good luck charm to bring along on endurance rides.

I hope to be able to ride along with you and Sunny one day :)
BearBear say&#039;s Hello.
Cheers and Happy Trails!
Kim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations Donna and Sunny. Very cool and inspirational for us all. It&#8217;s wonderful that you had a chance to meet Emma and have a life time good luck charm to bring along on endurance rides.</p>
<p>I hope to be able to ride along with you and Sunny one day <img src='http://www.horsespeak.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
BearBear say&#8217;s Hello.<br />
Cheers and Happy Trails!<br />
Kim</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sunny Revisits Jackson Forest by cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 04:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations Donna!  and Sunny! What a great story, had to turn the sound off on the Giant&#039;s game to keep reading without interuptions.  How fun for you both. We&#039;ve got 1700 acres of ups and downs and and ponds and creeks and downed trees and pretty much endless trails if you ever &quot;wanna ride?&quot; We&#039;re in Mendacino Nat&#039;l Forest and would love to have you and maybe you could talk MB into coming too.  You could bring Sunny or just ride the ranch horses. Have a bunkroom with bathroom.......We are just about an hour North east of Ukiah, but the last 14 miles are a dirt road.  Love to have you, Cindy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations Donna!  and Sunny! What a great story, had to turn the sound off on the Giant&#8217;s game to keep reading without interuptions.  How fun for you both. We&#8217;ve got 1700 acres of ups and downs and and ponds and creeks and downed trees and pretty much endless trails if you ever &#8220;wanna ride?&#8221; We&#8217;re in Mendacino Nat&#8217;l Forest and would love to have you and maybe you could talk MB into coming too.  You could bring Sunny or just ride the ranch horses. Have a bunkroom with bathroom&#8230;&#8230;.We are just about an hour North east of Ukiah, but the last 14 miles are a dirt road.  Love to have you, Cindy</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mt Madonna County Park &#8211; Rider&#8217;s Review by kim</title>
		<link>http://www.horsespeak.com/blog/?p=828&#038;cpage=1#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks Fabulous! Can&#039;t wait to meet you and Sunny there one day with Bear. Cheers! Kim</description>
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		<title>Comment on Sunny&#8217;s Trailer has a Blow Out by donna</title>
		<link>http://www.horsespeak.com/blog/?p=729&#038;cpage=1#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 01:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Husband just read the blog and had a good addition:  after you&#039;ve put the tire on, try to take it to a tire shop or somewhere else with a torque wrench to find out many pounds of torque the lugs were tightened to and, more importantly, to get the torque corrected, if necessary.  Evidently there&#039;s folk wisdom that says if you change any tire without using a torque wrench (so you&#039;re guessing at the pressure), you should get it checked within 100 miles.

donna</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Husband just read the blog and had a good addition:  after you&#8217;ve put the tire on, try to take it to a tire shop or somewhere else with a torque wrench to find out many pounds of torque the lugs were tightened to and, more importantly, to get the torque corrected, if necessary.  Evidently there&#8217;s folk wisdom that says if you change any tire without using a torque wrench (so you&#8217;re guessing at the pressure), you should get it checked within 100 miles.</p>
<p>donna</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sunny does Tevis, then dumps me. Twice!  by Donna by myindianpony</title>
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		<dc:creator>myindianpony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t read all the posts, but here&#039;s a couple of thoughts. perhaps try a neopreem girth, they have padding and don&#039;t really slip. 
 About the noise you said you heard what sounded like a cracking noise perhaps that noise reminded her of the sound of a whip. If you lunge her she may have been reminded to move by the association of the sound. 
Try sacking her out to that sound by 1st rubbing her with the whip and then cracing it on the ground, 1st away from her and then move in a little more each time she shows a lack of concern over it. 
 Very important ( which you most likely know ) but be very aware of your body language, make certian you do NOT ask her for anything during this time. Reward her each timme she does not respond to the sound. 
I have found this very common with horses who are lunged, the whip cracking sound makes the move, go figure, lol. 
Also they seem to be a bit shook when they don&#039;t know where it came  from. They think someone is asking them to move when no one is.
Just a thought. Maybe you&#039;ve already thought of this too. 
I see it alot when I have to re-train a &quot;problem horse&quot;. Or often one that has been abused and the new owner had no idea.
 Sound association is very comon as we all know. If this doesn&#039;t help, just keep trying new sounds untill you get the same reaction you had on the day of your issue, and then work with that sound. 
Glad your ok. hope this helps a bit.
Trish</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t read all the posts, but here&#8217;s a couple of thoughts. perhaps try a neopreem girth, they have padding and don&#8217;t really slip.<br />
 About the noise you said you heard what sounded like a cracking noise perhaps that noise reminded her of the sound of a whip. If you lunge her she may have been reminded to move by the association of the sound.<br />
Try sacking her out to that sound by 1st rubbing her with the whip and then cracing it on the ground, 1st away from her and then move in a little more each time she shows a lack of concern over it.<br />
 Very important ( which you most likely know ) but be very aware of your body language, make certian you do NOT ask her for anything during this time. Reward her each timme she does not respond to the sound.<br />
I have found this very common with horses who are lunged, the whip cracking sound makes the move, go figure, lol.<br />
Also they seem to be a bit shook when they don&#8217;t know where it came  from. They think someone is asking them to move when no one is.<br />
Just a thought. Maybe you&#8217;ve already thought of this too.<br />
I see it alot when I have to re-train a &#8220;problem horse&#8221;. Or often one that has been abused and the new owner had no idea.<br />
 Sound association is very comon as we all know. If this doesn&#8217;t help, just keep trying new sounds untill you get the same reaction you had on the day of your issue, and then work with that sound.<br />
Glad your ok. hope this helps a bit.<br />
Trish</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sunny does Tevis, then dumps me. Twice!  by Donna by MaryBeth</title>
		<link>http://www.horsespeak.com/blog/?p=663&#038;cpage=1#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>MaryBeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 02:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saddle slippage and tack malfunction is a very common cause of serious accidents.  Unfortunately you learned a lesson the hard way, but you are very fortunate to have learned it and remained intact. And you&#039;ve joined the ranks of many &quot;all the wiser&quot; horseman! Myself included!
You accurately addressed the saddle issue with valid retrospection.  Personally, I&#039;m fond of wool cinches.  You might consider that this time of year, our pals have long hair, especially around the girth.  Add a little sweat, and you have a real recipe for slippery.  I frequently recheck my cinch this time of year.  You can do so easily from the saddle.  Remind me and we&#039;ll cover it at the clinic.

As for the noise spook, I am NOT convinced noise was the cause.  You explored her tolerance well, and describe her as  being quite accepting. (remember acceptance vs tolerance.)
She did jump as you brushed your leg across the unfamiliar cantle bag.  I would venture that you tried to raise your leg higher to miss the bag, and your balance may have shifted, or for whatever reason, it felt odd to Sunny and she reacted.  Perhaps it was a reminder of the saddle slipping incident.
True that you can rehearse these incidents, work on desensitizing and search for a reason.  And thats being a thoughtful handler.  However, a thought I&#039;d also like you to consider is what you can do as prevention.  Not just what you can show her, but what you personally can improve in your horsemanship that would diffuse a situation before it even becomes a situation.  We are all guilty of complacency at times.  Every trainer will tell you that complacency has gotten us into more trouble than actual blow ups.  You and Sunny have logged 5 times the miles many folks with &quot;more&quot; experience than you have.  Its miles and hours that make up real experience.  But with that comes the risks of too much familiarity!  So go forward with a clear view of really creating the habit of bringing her nose in as you dismount, conditioning the half halts, checking your gear etc. One of my pet peeves is headstalls with those little denver screws. They can and will unscrew at the least favorable times and suddenly you are showing off your bridleless skills!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saddle slippage and tack malfunction is a very common cause of serious accidents.  Unfortunately you learned a lesson the hard way, but you are very fortunate to have learned it and remained intact. And you&#8217;ve joined the ranks of many &#8220;all the wiser&#8221; horseman! Myself included!<br />
You accurately addressed the saddle issue with valid retrospection.  Personally, I&#8217;m fond of wool cinches.  You might consider that this time of year, our pals have long hair, especially around the girth.  Add a little sweat, and you have a real recipe for slippery.  I frequently recheck my cinch this time of year.  You can do so easily from the saddle.  Remind me and we&#8217;ll cover it at the clinic.</p>
<p>As for the noise spook, I am NOT convinced noise was the cause.  You explored her tolerance well, and describe her as  being quite accepting. (remember acceptance vs tolerance.)<br />
She did jump as you brushed your leg across the unfamiliar cantle bag.  I would venture that you tried to raise your leg higher to miss the bag, and your balance may have shifted, or for whatever reason, it felt odd to Sunny and she reacted.  Perhaps it was a reminder of the saddle slipping incident.<br />
True that you can rehearse these incidents, work on desensitizing and search for a reason.  And thats being a thoughtful handler.  However, a thought I&#8217;d also like you to consider is what you can do as prevention.  Not just what you can show her, but what you personally can improve in your horsemanship that would diffuse a situation before it even becomes a situation.  We are all guilty of complacency at times.  Every trainer will tell you that complacency has gotten us into more trouble than actual blow ups.  You and Sunny have logged 5 times the miles many folks with &#8220;more&#8221; experience than you have.  Its miles and hours that make up real experience.  But with that comes the risks of too much familiarity!  So go forward with a clear view of really creating the habit of bringing her nose in as you dismount, conditioning the half halts, checking your gear etc. One of my pet peeves is headstalls with those little denver screws. They can and will unscrew at the least favorable times and suddenly you are showing off your bridleless skills!</p>
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